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Stomp box kits - Any1 know of some?
Will Chen
#11 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 3:00:18 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: big_teee Go to Quoted Post

So back to the pedals, what would be the sound dif. in say a TS Type, and a BB (BluesBreaker) Type?
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Night and day! The key to a TS style pedal is a very large mid hump which is why many high gain players use it almost like an eq into an cranked amp to tighten up the low end. And of course SRV used it as a boost to great effect. In the spectrum of gain its firmly in the moderate area but into an amp which is already breakup up you can really get nice sustain out of it. A BB style pedal is typically in the lower half of the gain spectrum with a more even EQ response and less output.

Other classic designs which have been modded a million times over and have been the basis of some high profile boutique pedals are the Fuzz Face (if you've heard Hendrix, you've heard what a Fuzz Face is capable of), Big Muff (The Big Muff is the Mr Hyde to the Fuzz Face's Dr Jekyll), DS-1 (a thin buzzsaw distortion which sounds pretty bad stock, but with some very easy mods sounds fantastic), DOD 250 (simple 2 control overdrive with a ton of volume on tap), Rat (Marshall style drive with a bit of a fuzzy or "ratty" sound with unique tone control), and Gov'nor (made by Marshall, essentially a Plexi style tone including a full 3 band tone stack in a pedal).

But really, the TS is far and away the most emulated pedal ever. Someone posted a chart online of all the pedal designs which have been based on a TS and its really an eye opener. I'll see if I can find it.

Here we go! Though, the author does have a vested interest so some of the list is likely a stretch: http://www.jhspedals.com/jhsped...Overdrive_Unveiling.html
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big_teee on 11/28/2011(UTC)
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 4:44:30 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Will, for schooling me on Pedals.
While your at it where does the Fulltone OCD that Robin Trower uses, fall in the mix.
Would it be similar to the TS or is it a different type pedal?
I have My 50 Watt JCM800 2204 Sitting on top of a 4x12 Slanted stack down in the shop.
I wonder what would sound good with it?
T
Will Chen
#13 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 5:02:52 PM(UTC)

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Heh, that list is by no means complete! Even some of those pedals are based on earlier designs. There's an article somewhere where someone claims pretty much every dirtbox created back to something like 3 boxes: the Ibanez TS, MXR Distortion +, and Fuzz Face.

I've played an OCD and its nothing like a TS, capable of much higher gain and more of a full range response. Not sure if its based on anything specific (though there's hardly anything truly new in the world of electronics) but it certainly falls more into the Rat/Guv'nor area of pedals as far as max gain is concerned, yet it sounds good at lower levels as well.

As far as what would sound good with a JCM800, man I bet pretty much anything!
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#14 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 10:25:08 PM(UTC)
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I've gotta backfill a little before I start on this...

There are some great caches of circuit diagrams on the Web. Here's one:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/gindex.htm
If you read the list & mutter the filenames under your breath, you'll recognize many of 'em quickly enough.

When I first thought of making a few boxes myself, I realized that I didn't want to mess with fiddly components -- if a circuit specified a certain transistor, it was almost impossible back then (without going to a bench tech) to find a full list of equivalences or substitutions, & if it called for a Motorola part, I was pretty much out in the cold. And I didn't feel I was up to finding odd parts like "operational transconductance amplifier" chips central to the Small Stone phaser:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/smlstone.gif

I don't know about "three families," but Jankowiak does agree that the MXR Distortion+ is one of many variants on the same basic circuit... one of them being the DOD Overdrive 250 that I started from:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/dodoverd.gif
Let's use this as an example for the foregoing discussion.

Reasons to build it? It's simple. It uses VERY common components. It's a classic sound. It's so "old school" that few makers are putting it out.

In descending cost, you need:
a box
a board (PC or turret)
two pots
footswitch
two jacks
741 op amp
two electrolytics
three caps (mylar, disk, whatever's handy)
seven resistors
two diodes
battery clip

(If you want, you could put the chip into a socket, or even a ZIF.)

Running down that list, paying one-off prices, you're probably talking something like $25. If your bench is well-stocked &/or you buy components in lots of +/- 100, & go with perfboard, it'd be more like $10.

...which beats heck outta $60 from a kit-vendor. Even if we go with the $25 figure, & factor in two hours' work at $10/hour, that's a geat margin if you sell it at boutique prices of $100+.

Compare the DOD circuit to the MXR:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/mxrdistp.gif
This also will give you some mod potentials, thus ensuring that YOUR box is unique in the market. And among Tube Screamer maniacs, there's vicious fights over WHICH 741 equivalent is best, so there's even more potential (hence my suggestion of the ZIF socket, maybe even top-mounted).

If you're willing to mess around with transistors, the world is your virtual oyster. Here's a two-x circuit apparently made by Jim Dunlop to clone the Hendrix sound:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/jhfface.gif
The Zener is the only really offbeat part.

Double the parts-count & you've got a classic Maestro:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/maefuzz.gif

Bump it up another 50%, & you've got a Univox Super-Fuzz:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/uvspfuzz.gif
Back in the early 1970s, I shared one of these badboys with my cousin, & I can testify that it kicks ass. The original Univox commonly sells $400+; the Black Cat clone goes for about $200. Tweak the cap values, put in another knob or two to modify response, & there -- you've got a SERIOUS boutique pedal, for not much more than the cost of six transistors & a box to hide 'em in. Find some art-school kid to paint the boxes for you, & you're set.
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Hi guys, I haven't been here much but I think I may be changing that. One or two of you know me.

Last year I got a DIY forum added at KvR and I'm proud to say they gave it to me to look after. I haven't read through all of this but there are some great pedals kits available from many places (yes mojo is one) BYOC, General Guitar Gadgets are a couple others. I built a nice TS clone from GGG and now the Brian May Treble Boost, both awesome (the ts clone is amazing but I went all out with the mods which was worth extra 8 dollars). I also built the Alembic Stratoblaster clone and put it in my Warmoth Strat I built. You save 12 dollars by not getting the box and it fits in most guitars but it's cheap anyhow and it goes on sale often. It was a simple build (I believe I have it all documented in photos at KvR)


Building pedals is both a lot of fun and a great way to save money, if I can be of any help just let me know.

BTW next up for me is building a tube amp, I have also built a baritone that I posted here about and today I just ordered new pups for it, I'm adding P-Rails instead of the humbuckers I have in it.

I also built a cool hammered dulcimer and this summer plan on building a Kantele and a Psaltery. Best wishes to all

John H. :)
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